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		<title>By: SG V</title>
		<link>http://www.out-of-ideas.com/2006/10/02/its-raining-she-ranteth/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>SG V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, &quot;crowded rain&quot; is brilliantly put! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, &#8220;crowded rain&#8221; is brilliantly put! <img src='http://www.out-of-ideas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It worked.  It reminded me of that time of year in Scotland when I&#039;d be starting school or university again and life felt full of promise.

Heh! I agree with you about &quot;the natural poet&quot; who spouts fluently while wandering on lonely moors.  He doesn&#039;t exist, no matter how much the general population would like to think he does.  I feel as if I&#039;m constantly fighting a battle about this, but with the image of &quot;the natural writer&quot;.   The natural writer sits in her ivory tower, jotting down her inspirations in a blank notebook while tealights flicker around her and a harp plays.  When her musings are finished - and she is so brilliant she doesn&#039;t need to edit them - Publishing Superman swoops in from the sky and &quot;discovers&quot; her.  Bingo.  She is now a billionaire.

When I make the mistake of telling people I&#039;ve had 20,000 rejections for my writing, they give me pitying looks and mumble: &quot;Well, maybe it  isn&#039;t meant to be? Have you considered it might be time to give up? How about  self-publishing? You know, sometimes in our lives we have to separate dreams from reality.&quot;  And I&#039;m thinking: &quot;Every night I&#039;m at the coalface writing.  That is my reality.  The only tower I have near me is a tower of unironed clothes.  I have gone beyond waiting for Publishing Superman to sweep me off my feet.  What matters now is practice and for my writing to be good.&quot;

Fiddling around with words and sentences and plot parts and minute aspects of character - that is largely what I seem to be doing these days.  But I honestly believe that if somebody doesn&#039;t have the experience of writing, they think that if you play about with words and are constantly revising then you&#039;re rubbish.  I&#039;ve read so many interviews with published authors where they say: &quot;Oh, I hardly needed to change a word of the original manuscript, I just sent it off to an agent and I was taken up straightaway,&quot; and I&#039;m thinking: &quot;No, you didn&#039;t.  No, you weren&#039;t.&quot;  The myth of the natural writer is perpetuated by the writers themselves.

Which I suppose was what I was doing when I said I wasn&#039;t a natural poet.  I haven&#039;t written poetry since I was doing my undergraduate degree 11 years ago so I am far from being practiced.  I&#039;m embarrassed to show anyone anything remotely poetry-ish that I&#039;ve written because the lack of practice glares through.  Then again, the prophecy poem I&#039;ve written is meant to be rough and spontaneous because of the context.  Knowing me I will revise it 10,000 times anyway before I put it in the story.

Helen took over Reed&#039;s blog with long musings about writing.  I will put a sock in it.  By the way Tenuous and Precarious is my favourite Stevie Smith poem:

http://plagiarist.com/poetry/1293/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked.  It reminded me of that time of year in Scotland when I&#8217;d be starting school or university again and life felt full of promise.</p>
<p>Heh! I agree with you about &#8220;the natural poet&#8221; who spouts fluently while wandering on lonely moors.  He doesn&#8217;t exist, no matter how much the general population would like to think he does.  I feel as if I&#8217;m constantly fighting a battle about this, but with the image of &#8220;the natural writer&#8221;.   The natural writer sits in her ivory tower, jotting down her inspirations in a blank notebook while tealights flicker around her and a harp plays.  When her musings are finished &#8211; and she is so brilliant she doesn&#8217;t need to edit them &#8211; Publishing Superman swoops in from the sky and &#8220;discovers&#8221; her.  Bingo.  She is now a billionaire.</p>
<p>When I make the mistake of telling people I&#8217;ve had 20,000 rejections for my writing, they give me pitying looks and mumble: &#8220;Well, maybe it  isn&#8217;t meant to be? Have you considered it might be time to give up? How about  self-publishing? You know, sometimes in our lives we have to separate dreams from reality.&#8221;  And I&#8217;m thinking: &#8220;Every night I&#8217;m at the coalface writing.  That is my reality.  The only tower I have near me is a tower of unironed clothes.  I have gone beyond waiting for Publishing Superman to sweep me off my feet.  What matters now is practice and for my writing to be good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fiddling around with words and sentences and plot parts and minute aspects of character &#8211; that is largely what I seem to be doing these days.  But I honestly believe that if somebody doesn&#8217;t have the experience of writing, they think that if you play about with words and are constantly revising then you&#8217;re rubbish.  I&#8217;ve read so many interviews with published authors where they say: &#8220;Oh, I hardly needed to change a word of the original manuscript, I just sent it off to an agent and I was taken up straightaway,&#8221; and I&#8217;m thinking: &#8220;No, you didn&#8217;t.  No, you weren&#8217;t.&#8221;  The myth of the natural writer is perpetuated by the writers themselves.</p>
<p>Which I suppose was what I was doing when I said I wasn&#8217;t a natural poet.  I haven&#8217;t written poetry since I was doing my undergraduate degree 11 years ago so I am far from being practiced.  I&#8217;m embarrassed to show anyone anything remotely poetry-ish that I&#8217;ve written because the lack of practice glares through.  Then again, the prophecy poem I&#8217;ve written is meant to be rough and spontaneous because of the context.  Knowing me I will revise it 10,000 times anyway before I put it in the story.</p>
<p>Helen took over Reed&#8217;s blog with long musings about writing.  I will put a sock in it.  By the way Tenuous and Precarious is my favourite Stevie Smith poem:</p>
<p><a href="http://plagiarist.com/poetry/1293/" rel="nofollow">http://plagiarist.com/poetry/1293/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honestly, my dears, there must be something very wrong with my paper-thin skin, in that when I saw such praise for my minor effusion, I was mightily afflicted with a prickling of the nose and eyes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good luck with your desert poem, Archie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*Speechlessly contemplates throwing her arms around Litlove&#039;s neck*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Helen - it did? It worked? October? I feel so inordinately pleased with that compliment its a wonder the top of my head hasn&#039;t come unscrewed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know quite a few people have a tin ear for poetry, but I do wonder if anyone who can write well is ever really not a poet, or simply not a practiced poet, or if poetry and prose are actually very different. I tend to think of them as very similar, the one perhaps the brandy to the other&#039;s wine. Or whisky to the other&#039;s ale (Hmm, can you tell I haven&#039;t touched strong drink for days?). It is possible to have a deep affinity for poetry, and nevertheless you&#039;ll need to work and work at it. I suppose an affinity merely makes you WANT to. I do not now and never will believe in natural poetic effusions flowing from the wild and untamed soul of artless nature. Not even in Shakespeare&#039;s case (&#039;bad revolting stars&#039;, anyone?). At this point whoever it is I have pinned in a corner far far away from the crisps and peanuts and booze usually wildly mentions Mozart and I point out, hotly, that he had been practising away at his piano since he was TWO, goddamnit, he had six years of five-hours-a-day under his belt when he started astonishing the crownÃ©d heads of Europe, and am gently led away by merciful relatives who set me to peeling potatoes in penance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please scold me if you wish, but I think natural poets are created, not born. Though it is perfectly possible that a person could find all that effort and endless fiddling about with mere fragments deeply discouraging and &lt;em&gt;le jeu ne vaut pas la chandelle&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh yes, Stevie Smith. I don&#039;t think I know her work nearly as well as it deserves, but have always had a soft spot for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poetryconnection.net/poets/Stevie_Smith/1293&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Jungle Husband&lt;/a&gt;, which starts off as a rather jolly little poem (&#039;hittapotamous&#039; indeed) and over subsequent rereading morphs into a heart-breakingly stiff-upper-lip suicide note. Just brilliant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, my dears, there must be something very wrong with my paper-thin skin, in that when I saw such praise for my minor effusion, I was mightily afflicted with a prickling of the nose and eyes.</p>
<p>Good luck with your desert poem, Archie.</p>
<p>*Speechlessly contemplates throwing her arms around Litlove&#8217;s neck*</p>
<p>Helen &#8211; it did? It worked? October? I feel so inordinately pleased with that compliment its a wonder the top of my head hasn&#8217;t come unscrewed.</p>
<p>I know quite a few people have a tin ear for poetry, but I do wonder if anyone who can write well is ever really not a poet, or simply not a practiced poet, or if poetry and prose are actually very different. I tend to think of them as very similar, the one perhaps the brandy to the other&#8217;s wine. Or whisky to the other&#8217;s ale (Hmm, can you tell I haven&#8217;t touched strong drink for days?). It is possible to have a deep affinity for poetry, and nevertheless you&#8217;ll need to work and work at it. I suppose an affinity merely makes you WANT to. I do not now and never will believe in natural poetic effusions flowing from the wild and untamed soul of artless nature. Not even in Shakespeare&#8217;s case (&#8216;bad revolting stars&#8217;, anyone?). At this point whoever it is I have pinned in a corner far far away from the crisps and peanuts and booze usually wildly mentions Mozart and I point out, hotly, that he had been practising away at his piano since he was TWO, goddamnit, he had six years of five-hours-a-day under his belt when he started astonishing the crownÃ©d heads of Europe, and am gently led away by merciful relatives who set me to peeling potatoes in penance.</p>
<p>Anyway.</p>
<p>Please scold me if you wish, but I think natural poets are created, not born. Though it is perfectly possible that a person could find all that effort and endless fiddling about with mere fragments deeply discouraging and <em>le jeu ne vaut pas la chandelle</em></p>
<p>Oh yes, Stevie Smith. I don&#8217;t think I know her work nearly as well as it deserves, but have always had a soft spot for <a href="http://www.poetryconnection.net/poets/Stevie_Smith/1293" rel="nofollow">The Jungle Husband</a>, which starts off as a rather jolly little poem (&#8216;hittapotamous&#8217; indeed) and over subsequent rereading morphs into a heart-breakingly stiff-upper-lip suicide note. Just brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This poem brought back to me a strong sense of October in UK.  I could smell the air.

Intonation is so important in English, I agree.  You just need to look at the difference in the stressed syllable between &quot;record&quot; noun and &quot;record&quot; verb.  I tried to tell my students the importance of this when I was teaching English.

I&#039;ve recently been trying to write a prophecy that one of my characters speaks in my book, and it turned out as a poem with each line having 11 syllables.  It did descend into prose but that was sort of the effect I wanted to create.  I&#039;m still deciding whether or not to use it because I don&#039;t feel I&#039;m a natural poet.

I wonder if you like Stevie Smith?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This poem brought back to me a strong sense of October in UK.  I could smell the air.</p>
<p>Intonation is so important in English, I agree.  You just need to look at the difference in the stressed syllable between &#8220;record&#8221; noun and &#8220;record&#8221; verb.  I tried to tell my students the importance of this when I was teaching English.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently been trying to write a prophecy that one of my characters speaks in my book, and it turned out as a poem with each line having 11 syllables.  It did descend into prose but that was sort of the effect I wanted to create.  I&#8217;m still deciding whether or not to use it because I don&#8217;t feel I&#8217;m a natural poet.</p>
<p>I wonder if you like Stevie Smith?</p>
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		<title>By: litlove</title>
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		<dc:creator>litlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in such awe of people who can write poetry because I simply can&#039;t do it. This is beautiful, Reed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in such awe of people who can write poetry because I simply can&#8217;t do it. This is beautiful, Reed.</p>
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		<title>By: archie</title>
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		<dc:creator>archie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read poetry for two reasons. Firstly for the flow of the words and this succeeds brilliantly. Secondly for the imagery small-squashed. There are two remarkable images here for me; &quot;crowded rain&quot; and &quot;leaves rust down&quot;. I wish I had said them, but, as Oscar Wilde replied to someone who said the same, &quot;You will, you will!&quot; 
I was at our desert airstrip this morning listening to the desert un-silence in the heat and d/gusty wind just feeling the images. Something could come out of that in a day or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read poetry for two reasons. Firstly for the flow of the words and this succeeds brilliantly. Secondly for the imagery small-squashed. There are two remarkable images here for me; &#8220;crowded rain&#8221; and &#8220;leaves rust down&#8221;. I wish I had said them, but, as Oscar Wilde replied to someone who said the same, &#8220;You will, you will!&#8221;<br />
I was at our desert airstrip this morning listening to the desert un-silence in the heat and d/gusty wind just feeling the images. Something could come out of that in a day or two.</p>
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